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whether it's the bush administration or the obama administration. >> the problem, louis that under the bush administration, it was basically putting pressure on the iranians. we were present in iraq. we tried to contain hezbollah. we had u.n. resolutionsagainst hezbollah and lebanon. it was not efficient. in the obama administration, there's disengagement, connect the dots, sending away from the gulf half of the task force, sending messages to the leadership of the iranians not to reform, but to engage with us. we are not helping the iraqis who are rising against iranian influence. iran is sending weapons and also its own guarded in syria to help crush its own opposition. while we are claiming our sanctions are working, iran is all over the map, and more recently, lou, two things. iranian navy has facilities on the coast in the ports on the red sea, and port sudan. their navy crushed the suez canal with the help of the muslim brotherhood in egypt. it's problematic now. >> what you are saying is that the united states national security architecture is incapable of formulating a response
whether it's the bush administration or the obama administration. >> the problem, louis that under the bush administration, it was basically putting pressure on the iranians. we were present in iraq. we tried to contain hezbollah. we had u.n. resolutionsagainst hezbollah and lebanon. it was not efficient. in the obama administration, there's disengagement, connect the dots, sending away from the gulf half of the task force, sending messages to the leadership of the iranians not to reform,...
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taking place behind the scenes and where the obama administration wanted it to be and it's basically what this document says is a high-ranking official makes the determination whether somebody poses an imminent threat and says in the memo, imminence as defined by the justice department does not require the u.s. to have clear evidence that a specific attack on u.s. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future. >> i'm comfortable with that. as soon as you join al qaeda, that's an imminent threat to the united states. you don't have to be -- >> who determines that someone joined al qaeda? >> talking about father and son. talking about a father and son killed here and the father up to some pretty bad stuff but what about the son? >> one thing that's interesting going back to john brennan and the hearings that will occur on thursday is on the one hand, he has been in a lot of ways architect of this policy, the man behind the drone strike policy. on the other hand, it is reported that he is also the sort of moral compass, he is the voice, the primary voice of restraint and
taking place behind the scenes and where the obama administration wanted it to be and it's basically what this document says is a high-ranking official makes the determination whether somebody poses an imminent threat and says in the memo, imminence as defined by the justice department does not require the u.s. to have clear evidence that a specific attack on u.s. persons and interests will take place in the immediate future. >> i'm comfortable with that. as soon as you join al qaeda,...
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well this is certainly a time for senators to question the policies under obama's administration for the war on terror but as we know the senate is controlled by by democrats so it would be quite shocking if he wasn't indeed confirmed right just saying thanks for keeping an eye on how that hearing important hearing is going over there on capitol hill that was our t. producer justin underhill well we don't know for winning the war on drugs but we do know it's expanding in latin america the u.s. military is kicking up combat and the most expensive initiative in the region since the cold war take a look at the numbers two point eight billion dollars worth of supplies sold by the u.s. in two thousand and eleven there were five hundred ten million dollars in defense contracts over the last decade eight hundred thirty million dollars spent toward countering narcotics and four thousand u.s. troops are currently in the region for more on this expanding war on drugs in latin america victor silverman history professor at the college joins us now welcome victor so we know that the war on drugs
well this is certainly a time for senators to question the policies under obama's administration for the war on terror but as we know the senate is controlled by by democrats so it would be quite shocking if he wasn't indeed confirmed right just saying thanks for keeping an eye on how that hearing important hearing is going over there on capitol hill that was our t. producer justin underhill well we don't know for winning the war on drugs but we do know it's expanding in latin america the u.s....
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the obama administration's legal rationale for assassinating u.s. citizens without charge has been revealed for the first time. a secret justice department document obtained by nbc news says the administration can target citizens who are "senior operational leaders of al qaeda or an associated force" even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the u.s. the documents describe is a white memo, provided to members of the senate intelligence and judiciary committee last year. its release follows failed civil liberty groups fighting legal justification for the targeting of an american. we will have more after headlines. and the report has revealed a detailed look at global involvement in the cia secret program of prisons, rendition and torture in the years after 9/11. the open society justice initiative says 54 countries aided the cia until president obama halted the program in 2009. the report also reveals that at least 136 people were held by the cia during those years -- the largest tally to date. the count
the obama administration's legal rationale for assassinating u.s. citizens without charge has been revealed for the first time. a secret justice department document obtained by nbc news says the administration can target citizens who are "senior operational leaders of al qaeda or an associated force" even if there is no intelligence indicating they are engaged in an active plot to attack the u.s. the documents describe is a white memo, provided to members of the senate intelligence...
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all of this is certainly a time for senators to question the policies under obama's administration for the war on terror but as we know the senate is controlled by by democrats so it would be quite shocking if if he wasn't indeed confirmed right just saying thanks for keeping an eye on how that hearing important hearing is going over there on capitol hill that was our t. producer just seen under house or not too far into president obama's second term and already there's talk of who's running in two thousand and sixteen among the possible contenders senator rand paul with his father now out of the political picture ron paul's followers hope that his son rand will carry the torch of his libertarian legacy yesterday at the heritage foundation and he talked about the importance of keeping foreign policy aligned with the constitution when foreign policy has become so monolithic so lacking in debate that republicans and democrats routinely pass foreign policy statements without debating without votes where are the calls for moderation the calls for restraint anyone who questions the bipartis
all of this is certainly a time for senators to question the policies under obama's administration for the war on terror but as we know the senate is controlled by by democrats so it would be quite shocking if if he wasn't indeed confirmed right just saying thanks for keeping an eye on how that hearing important hearing is going over there on capitol hill that was our t. producer just seen under house or not too far into president obama's second term and already there's talk of who's running in...
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well, the obama administration doesn't torture. and he's said that. >> he said that soon after he came into power. >> yes, he did, in fact -- >> and you believe him? >> i do. and in fact, he was instrumental in arguing for and then, as president, releasing the legal justifications that the bush administration had relied on to conduct the program and opened them to the light of day. and they were reviewed and harshly criticized. in fact, some of the authors were even considered for censure. the fact of the matter is the two branches of government set up to keep a watchful eye on the president in these areas, have a lot of trouble doing it for a variety of reasons. the courts have trouble taking these cases. there are so many constitutional and common law and statutory limitations on their ability to hear, even hear these questions, never mind resolve them, that we're not -- we don't know what the constitutional outcome is, because the courts aren't ruling on it. >> i'm not convinced that the u.s. doesn't torture at this moment just
well, the obama administration doesn't torture. and he's said that. >> he said that soon after he came into power. >> yes, he did, in fact -- >> and you believe him? >> i do. and in fact, he was instrumental in arguing for and then, as president, releasing the legal justifications that the bush administration had relied on to conduct the program and opened them to the light of day. and they were reviewed and harshly criticized. in fact, some of the authors were even...
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the obama administration and the justice department has refused to acknowledge if it exists. or should i say its existence or lack thereof is classified. but the times did report on its existence back in october 2011. and they filed their lawsuit back in 2011. and members of congress have also asked the obama administration to please release this memo. we know you think it's legal. why do you think it's legal? the closest anybody ever came to getting the attorney general to admit that this memo in fact exists was this very, very awkward moment caught on tape during a routine budget hearing back in march of 2012. >> i still want to see the office of legal counsel memorandum. and i would urge you to keep working on that. i realize it's a matter of some debate within the administration. >> that would be true. >> can i say that it would be true that there is debate about the hmmm. just last month, a federal judge named colleen mcmahon ruled on the lawsuit to release this memo. so they had filed a freedom of information request. they said no. they said okay, it's no longer a reque
the obama administration and the justice department has refused to acknowledge if it exists. or should i say its existence or lack thereof is classified. but the times did report on its existence back in october 2011. and they filed their lawsuit back in 2011. and members of congress have also asked the obama administration to please release this memo. we know you think it's legal. why do you think it's legal? the closest anybody ever came to getting the attorney general to admit that this memo...
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meanwhile, in washington, there are new revelations of a split within the obama administration about what should be done about the conflict. ray suarez reports. >> suarez: it was a short moment in a long hearing devoted to another topic, and it yielded a surprising set of answers from defense secretary leon panetta, and the joint chiefs chairman, general martin dempsey. arizona republican john mccain asked about a report that president obama rejected a proposal to arm syrian rebels last summer. >> did you support the recommendation by secretary of state... then secretary of state clinton and then head of c.i.a. general petraeus that we provide weapons to the resistance in syria? did you support that? >> we did. >> you did support that. >> we did. >> suarez: so far, the president's judgment has been that things won't get better with american arms. instead, he's warned the weapons might fall into the hands of extremist elements, a concern reiterated today by the new secretary of state, who was asked about the deliberations last year. >> i don't know what the discussions were in the whi
meanwhile, in washington, there are new revelations of a split within the obama administration about what should be done about the conflict. ray suarez reports. >> suarez: it was a short moment in a long hearing devoted to another topic, and it yielded a surprising set of answers from defense secretary leon panetta, and the joint chiefs chairman, general martin dempsey. arizona republican john mccain asked about a report that president obama rejected a proposal to arm syrian rebels last...
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we say this is a policy of the obama administration. the kill list happens in tuesday meetings at the white house. this is something we have to recognize is not coming from another political party, but coming from the democratic party with the complicity of the republicans. it is also the complicity of the entire senate intelligence committee that has allowed the cia to become a death squad, which is what it is today. we have been organizing, mobilizing, put out a letter by 100 religious leaders that was said to the white house, the intelligence committee members, organizing people within the military and getting letters from yemen and pakistan to say that these policies put us at risk, counterproductive. we even have someone like general mcchrystal saying, we don't understand the visceral hatred coming against the u.s. because of these drone strikes. we also to copies of living under drones done by nyu and stanford law school that explains it is not only the killing, but the terrorizing of an entire population where they hear the drums
we say this is a policy of the obama administration. the kill list happens in tuesday meetings at the white house. this is something we have to recognize is not coming from another political party, but coming from the democratic party with the complicity of the republicans. it is also the complicity of the entire senate intelligence committee that has allowed the cia to become a death squad, which is what it is today. we have been organizing, mobilizing, put out a letter by 100 religious...
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the obama administration quite austen tash shusly presented it. even after the troops come home from afghan starngs we will still be a nation of wafrmt in 1832, carl wrote war is an act of force. it's freely operating and obedient to no law but their own. much in the last century, particularly after the horror of the second war was an attempt to prove clausewitz was wrong. i say we choose the lauchlt we'll sew you right after this. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute obligations, but obligations. i need to rethink the core of my portfolio. what i really need is sleep. introducing the ishares core, building blocks for the heart of your portfolio. find out why 9 out of 10 large professional investors choose ishares for their etfs. ishares by blackrock. call 1-800-ishares for a prospectus which includes investment objectives, risks, charges and expenses. read and consider it carefully before investing. risk includes possible loss of principal. when the doctor told me that i could smoke for the first week... i'm like...yeah, ok..
the obama administration quite austen tash shusly presented it. even after the troops come home from afghan starngs we will still be a nation of wafrmt in 1832, carl wrote war is an act of force. it's freely operating and obedient to no law but their own. much in the last century, particularly after the horror of the second war was an attempt to prove clausewitz was wrong. i say we choose the lauchlt we'll sew you right after this. twins. i didn't see them coming. i have obligations. cute...
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bush and any way to adjudicate the possibilities of what war means to the obama administration? >> well, i think that, i think that is absolutely right, it has been a continuation of the bush administration policies, and yes, administrations always try to push the outer bounds of the authority. but one thank is clear is that the laws of war have not changed even if the practice has changed. there are really three reasons that a country can, a state can use force outside of its borders. one, if it is the victim of an armed attack and second if the u.n. security council authorizes it, and three, assisting a state that requests it, and we have stretched that boundary as well far beyond what the laws of war call for. so i think that there is a very serious question about this question of perpetual war, but we should remember historically in the 20th century, the u.s. was at war virtually every decade of the 20th century, so if we think of ourselves as peaceful country that does not engage in war, we need to rethink that. >> that is right. david, i want to ask this question, because
bush and any way to adjudicate the possibilities of what war means to the obama administration? >> well, i think that, i think that is absolutely right, it has been a continuation of the bush administration policies, and yes, administrations always try to push the outer bounds of the authority. but one thank is clear is that the laws of war have not changed even if the practice has changed. there are really three reasons that a country can, a state can use force outside of its borders....
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the obama administration is targeting the company's big broadcaster and internet policing agency. economic sanctions enacted last summer have also been triggered. washington hopes the move will force iran to halt its nuclear program. >>> police in southern california are on the hunt for a man who used to be one of their honey. former lapd officer christopher dorner is wanted for homicide. the basketball coach and her fiance were found shot to dental sunday night. >>> the cappa significant ma from terpt went too far in throwing an asian party. members of duke's asian student association are protesting what they call a, quote, racist reagor. >>> beginning in august, the post office will no longer deliver mail on saturdays. however, your packages will still show up in your mailbox. it's expected to save the cash-strapped agency about $2 billion. >>> and there's research that pinpoints the time of day when a woman looks her worse. wednesday afternoon at 3:30 has been precisely identified at the time when woman's energy levels drop. they say hump day was the worst. to that i say thank
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administration's ruthless drone war which has replaced the bush administration's detention programs and torture programs and so it doesn't seem like that much of a contradiction now brennan and george tenet and george bush and president obama seem all on the same pile and you know you started to get at this point earlier but i want to talk a little bit about these actual programs that the u.s. government has been using for example the drone strikes when you look at their use i mean some critics have said that this in fact creates more terrorism because people are turned off by by and by these kinds of killings what do you make in general had mentioned perhaps of this in a legal type of program what do you make in general of the obama counterterrorism policies to date well you know. primary you know when you mention the drone war its ability to generate blowback this is this is essentially a fact it's a fact that brennan and other people knew bomb administration have been reluctant to admit but everything from you know u.s. reporting from on the ground in places like yemen and pakist
administration's ruthless drone war which has replaced the bush administration's detention programs and torture programs and so it doesn't seem like that much of a contradiction now brennan and george tenet and george bush and president obama seem all on the same pile and you know you started to get at this point earlier but i want to talk a little bit about these actual programs that the u.s. government has been using for example the drone strikes when you look at their use i mean some critics...
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it's an amateur effort and i think what we're seeing in this case in this memo is an attempt by the obama administration to justify activities that they've already carried out which include the assassination of american citizens the yemeni cleric anwar a walkie his sixteen year old son two weeks later it was not on anybody's terrorism list and i think there's strong. i have a strong suspicion the lawyers have a strong suspicion that they already using section ten twenty one of the n d a because when the judge forrest issued her ruling in september the government attorneys the day of the ruling went to judge forrest and asked for a temporary stay meaning put this law back on the books in til it is heard in the second circuit or the appellate court now judge forrest refused they then demanded an emergency hearing at do with this was a friday at nine am the next monday morning at the second circuit which they got and they asked the judges on the second circuit in the name of national security to put this law back into effect to override a judge for us injunction now the second circuit agreed
it's an amateur effort and i think what we're seeing in this case in this memo is an attempt by the obama administration to justify activities that they've already carried out which include the assassination of american citizens the yemeni cleric anwar a walkie his sixteen year old son two weeks later it was not on anybody's terrorism list and i think there's strong. i have a strong suspicion the lawyers have a strong suspicion that they already using section ten twenty one of the n d a because...
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it's an amateur effort and i think what we're seeing in this case in this memo is an attempt by the obama administration to justify activities that they've already carried out which include the assassination of american citizens the yemeni cleric anwar a walkie his sixteen year old son two weeks later it was not on anybody's terrorism list and i think there's strong. i have a strong suspicion the lawyers have a strong suspicion that they already using section ten twenty one of the n d a because when the judge forrest issued her ruling in september the government attorneys the day of the ruling went to judge forrest and asked for a temporary stay meaning put this law back on the books in til it is heard in the second circuit or the appellate court now judge forrest refused they then demanded an emergency hearing this was a friday at nine am the next monday morning at the second circuit which they got and they asked the judges on the second circuit in the name of national security to put this law back into effect to override a judge for us injunction now the second circuit agreed we always
it's an amateur effort and i think what we're seeing in this case in this memo is an attempt by the obama administration to justify activities that they've already carried out which include the assassination of american citizens the yemeni cleric anwar a walkie his sixteen year old son two weeks later it was not on anybody's terrorism list and i think there's strong. i have a strong suspicion the lawyers have a strong suspicion that they already using section ten twenty one of the n d a because...
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administration to justify activities that they've already carried out which include the assassination of american citizens the yemeni cleric anwar a walkie his sixteen year old son two weeks later it was not on anybody's terrorism list and i think there's strong. i have a strong suspicion the lawyers have a strong suspicion that they already using section ten twenty one of the n d a because when judge forrest issued her ruling in september the government attorneys the day of the ruling went to judge forrest and asked for a temporary stay meaning put this law back on the books in til it is heard in the second circuit or the appellate court now judge forrest refused they then demanded an emergency hearing this was a friday at nine am the next monday morning at the second circuit which they got and they asked the judges on the second circuit in the name of national security to put this law back into effect to override a judge for us injunction now the second circuit agreed we always knew the obama administration would appeal that was not an issue they lost we did not expect them to respo
administration to justify activities that they've already carried out which include the assassination of american citizens the yemeni cleric anwar a walkie his sixteen year old son two weeks later it was not on anybody's terrorism list and i think there's strong. i have a strong suspicion the lawyers have a strong suspicion that they already using section ten twenty one of the n d a because when judge forrest issued her ruling in september the government attorneys the day of the ruling went to...
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[inaudible] [inaudible] >> the question as to the criticism of the obama administration on its actions in a variety of al qaeda firm somalia, yemen was persuasive. but what's the right answer? >> well, i don't have a right answer and there isn't a right answer for any of these various places, but i think we need to get jan in review of troops on the ground cumin no troops on the ground in the situation here. i do think it is in our interest to find a way to work with local partners in order to combat local groups and allow them to cover their territories with their own forces. unfortunately, the way to do that involves putting boots on the ground. we have a long tradition. it was started by a democratic president who is enthusiastic about this kind of thing as john f. kennedy and this is one of the things the special forces were created to do. it is a train and advise mission and its enabled mission. if we had been doing that in yemen, we would in a somewhat better place. the questions are what do you do where you don't have partners where they can succeed in what he thought the escala
[inaudible] [inaudible] >> the question as to the criticism of the obama administration on its actions in a variety of al qaeda firm somalia, yemen was persuasive. but what's the right answer? >> well, i don't have a right answer and there isn't a right answer for any of these various places, but i think we need to get jan in review of troops on the ground cumin no troops on the ground in the situation here. i do think it is in our interest to find a way to work with local partners...
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legal reasoning for why the administration believes president obama has the power to order the killing of americans in counterterrorism strikes around the world. look at this. ever since anybody knew such a document existed, this is how the administration has been coping with requests to see this document. this is a letter from the justice department telling the aclu that they neither confirm nor deny the existence of the documents described in your request. quote, the fact -- excuse me -- the very fact of the existence or nonexistence of such diagnostics is itself classified. that's what they've been saying for more than a year. but now as of tonight, the administration admitted that that legal reasoning memo exists. the associated press first breaking the news late tonight. nbc news confirming it. the president has directed the justice department to give the memo to the intelligence committees in congress. it is the first time that this will have been seen outside the administration itself. now, the administration has openly in speeches and in public comments asserted that it believe
legal reasoning for why the administration believes president obama has the power to order the killing of americans in counterterrorism strikes around the world. look at this. ever since anybody knew such a document existed, this is how the administration has been coping with requests to see this document. this is a letter from the justice department telling the aclu that they neither confirm nor deny the existence of the documents described in your request. quote, the fact -- excuse me -- the...
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media and out of the obama administration is that it is more legal to kill people then it is to capture them and torture them as if as if the captives must be tortured as if these are options and so drones are an improvement on torture drones are an appointment of ground war and so the arguments were being given and yet we didn't have a ground war in yemen we might need one eventually after the damage the drone strikes are doing but this is we're being told that this type of murder is better then all of their human rights abuses you know would you like to reap spawn to that it sounds bizarre but true. no i mean we've been we've got new disagreement at all here and i'm in complete agreement with what david's saying on this quite clear that is quite horrific in africa but it's getting worse i mean there's a new new drawn be a snow in nigeria close to mali you've got the west of african i as well and so it's striking up so that we're going to have drawn b.s. is all over africa i'm not sure would have really this is what's getting me why are we doing this well isn't it. the most effective r
media and out of the obama administration is that it is more legal to kill people then it is to capture them and torture them as if as if the captives must be tortured as if these are options and so drones are an improvement on torture drones are an appointment of ground war and so the arguments were being given and yet we didn't have a ground war in yemen we might need one eventually after the damage the drone strikes are doing but this is we're being told that this type of murder is better...
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so you know what about these once you know it is it looks like the obama administration just saying trust us. that's what it sounds like to me it will actually harald. the chief floor of the bomb in this ministration when there was that there was a bit of an argument in the un in two thousand and ten when philip alston who's the special extradition special repertoire for extrajudicial killings from new york university and he stood up and said he needed to know there would need to be more transparency about the united states was choosing the targets for these convert operations he was essentially told to mind his own business and he came back in november two thousand and ten with a thirty page report explaining exactly in what way no balls hold that thought hold that thought we're going to go to a short break and out for that short break we'll continue our discussion on drones stay with our team. you know sometimes you see a story and it seems so you think you understand it and then something else some other part of it and realized everything is. welcome to the big picture. at. least
so you know what about these once you know it is it looks like the obama administration just saying trust us. that's what it sounds like to me it will actually harald. the chief floor of the bomb in this ministration when there was that there was a bit of an argument in the un in two thousand and ten when philip alston who's the special extradition special repertoire for extrajudicial killings from new york university and he stood up and said he needed to know there would need to be more...